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Post by doc on Oct 15, 2008 9:41:07 GMT -5
WOW ... total Conservative domination yesterday. So, so will there be a mutiny at the Liberal camp? A loss of 24 seats is an embarrassment for the Liberals. I'm proud and happy to the see the NDP gaining 8 more seats as well. They still might of got creamed, but still baby steps forward.
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Post by Acie on Oct 15, 2008 9:47:39 GMT -5
So I hear it cost 200 million dollars to hold an election?
Three in five years.
Cool!
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Post by StinkPalm on Oct 15, 2008 9:48:05 GMT -5
WOW ... total Conservative domination yesterday. So, so will there be a mutiny at the Liberal camp? A loss of 24 seats is an embarrassment for the Liberals. I'm proud and happy to the see the NDP gaining 8 more seats as well. They still might of got creamed, but still baby steps forward. I would love to see another party get a chance to screw everything up for a change
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Post by coltrane on Oct 15, 2008 10:28:51 GMT -5
i wouldn't say domination. they didn't get their majority, and steve will face a lot of criticism for that. also, if i'm not mistaken, there isn't a single tory seat in vancouver, toronto or montreal. that says a lot right there.
the big question, as acie alluded to, is what the hell did we get out of that $200 million? what a waste of time and energy, with no significant result. canadians are unhappy with the libs, that much is clear, but if steve can't make any strides in this political climate he needs to realize that canadians don't want his approach either.
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Post by Superjudge on Oct 15, 2008 12:01:29 GMT -5
I bet part of his mess cleaning will to be to ensure that Alberta keeps every penny possible
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Post by The B to the Enzo on Oct 15, 2008 12:18:26 GMT -5
I bet part of his mess cleaning will to be to ensure that Alberta keeps every penny possible Yes lets rag on Alberta, without which we would be one of the poorest countries in the world. You are all silly utopians.
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Post by StinkPalm on Oct 15, 2008 12:19:58 GMT -5
I bet part of his mess cleaning will to be to ensure that Alberta keeps every penny possible Yes lets rag on Alberta, without which we would be one of the poorest countries in the world. You are all silly utopians. DOnt forget the raping of Newfoundland helped out that cause.
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Post by coltrane on Oct 15, 2008 12:33:25 GMT -5
Yes lets rag on Alberta, without which we would be one of the poorest countries in the world. You are all silly utopians. well that's just horse... turds. we would not, at all, be one of the poorest countries in the world. that's simply ludicrous. also, that wealth the alberta has is time-limited to the extent that we rely on oil and natural gas. as we move to more responsible and environmentally friendly fuel sources alberta better get with the times or face a serious downturn.
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Post by The B to the Enzo on Oct 15, 2008 12:40:00 GMT -5
Oh agreed 'trane....in the meantime though...lets keep Alberta happy.
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Post by coltrane on Oct 15, 2008 12:46:24 GMT -5
meh, bunch of splitters...
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Post by xl on Oct 15, 2008 13:31:51 GMT -5
I personally am not a utopian. I'm just a regular sort of terrorist with no high ideals.
And I cannot believe that hundreds of millions were spent for nothing. Brutalbrutalbrutal! What did that illegal election accomplish?
These guys are all seriously irrelevant. All of them except Gilles, who made a point of saying how relevant he remained. After three decades of handing over power to the provinces, there's just nothing for anybody outside of the Bloc to serve. Why do you think Harper has tried to up the military interests? It's about the only area where he remains important.
On top of that, the whole process is deadly. Even if you get a chance to vote in a tight race where there is more than one solid candidate, the one you might be sending to Ottawa is only going to be sitting on their ass making a bunch of animal sounds, while everything effectively gets run out of the PMO. But we likes our strong leaders. Anything less would be utopian or something I guess.
We need to cut the number of MPs in half, use proportional representation to choose them, and give them the task of working together to come up with an economic model that is based on reality and not enslaved to the idea of growth. Growth means not accounting for the limited nature of resources, not recognizing the scamming that comes with every bubble, and not looking towards improving the actual quality of our lives, since creating disasters is such a beautiful growth mechanism. Fuck - being utopian is so incredibly harmful in relative terms. Bring on the next disaster, and let 40 percent pretend there's some relevence to voting next time around. I'll be one of them again, but I hope there is at least a truly ridiculous bunch of utopians for real. Voting Natural Law was fun when there was no other real choice, and there needs to be another Doug Henning show just for the entertainment value, and to provide the proper illustration of utopian ideals.
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Post by The B to the Enzo on Oct 15, 2008 13:38:06 GMT -5
WIll Benzo ban LX? Accually never. I must say that I don;t dissagree with alot of what you said at all....I would LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the government to be cut in half. You lost me at utopian though, I suppose it is all relative but for the most part they seem to dissregard the realities of a global economy, but that is a debate for another time.... In short I hate our system as well....and I hope you were up in arms everytime the Liberals held a "illegal" election.
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Post by xl on Oct 15, 2008 13:48:12 GMT -5
The Liberals never passed any laws making their elections illegal. But Martin was more loathsome than Harper.
And the global economy hasn't reflected anything close to anything real, other than greed and corruption, for a very long time. The whole thing needs a major overhaul, and it needs to include the environment in the balance sheet. To not do so would hardly be real.
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Post by The B to the Enzo on Oct 15, 2008 13:50:45 GMT -5
The Liberals never passed any laws making their elections illegal. But Martin was more loathsome than Harper. And the global economy hasn't reflected anything close to anything real, other than greed and corruption, for a very long time. The whole thing needs a major overhaul, and it needs to include the environment in the balance sheet. To not do so would hardly be real. Here we go. I was not making reference to economy on a global level.....but the fact that there is a "global economy" and things need to be considered instead of just saying..."stop driving...its bad"
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Post by xl on Oct 15, 2008 14:00:24 GMT -5
I don't really disagree, I think I just come from a viewpoint that sees that it all pretty much needs to be done from scratch, and nothing much has been considered outside of very misleading GDP numbers. About the only thing the GDP represents these days is how big the disaster is or is going to be. Let the ambulance drivers dance in the streets!
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